Great article! Lots to ponder. It's going to be hard to sit around another month to wait for the next installment!
I hope the postureology discussion will give me some help on correcting the slide/move-past-Chi line/early extension problem that I continually battle.
Thanks Tom! Found some micro moves that when missing, can surely cause early extension. Send me some current video. K
Excellent article again Kelvin.
I like the terminology. I see the right forearm of Jamie rotating the radius and ulnar clockwise. That micro move starts the hand and advances clubshaft and head, it is the impetus to start the swing. I see the humerus being brought to jamies side as a reaction to firing the spine engine posting left, forming the chi line, as he abducts the right shoulder. That outward rotation of the forearm, advancing the clubhead, is what I mean by "throw from the top" it loads the shaft. It also enhances the dorsal flexion of the right hand as he propells the clubhead. This is not an argument it is an agreement. This is just how I percieve and perform it. This micro move jamie is using is my single concious thought to start the downswing.
Video comming soon as I prepare for pretty busy weekend.
Again great article. Keep well.
Thanks Tom, I look forward to seeing and analyzing that video. K
K...This is BY FAR, not even close, to the best article I have ever read on "finding the slot" as some instructors would call it. I'm sending you a video very soon. I haven't been able to because Ive been SOOO busy. I'll get to it in the next week when I actually have time. All the best.
Thanks Vern and there are more micro moves to be revealed in the future. K
Hi Kel...great article...how important those micro moves are!!! I love JS first move down and while I was practicing realized how similiar the move is to my college career of pitching baseball. Once I connected that thought/image it became completely natural. From there it seems like everything follows. Going to the range tomorrow...will probably have some more observations...thanks for your dedicated search for the truth...
P, if you can pitch, you can swing a club. Look at how many pitchers and quarterbacks make great golfers. You can do it too.
Transition- has to be the most important move - such little margin for optimum power and accuracy - Kelvin, you have nailed it for us 'seekers' of the missing link - kudos to your non ending research that makes it understandable and obtainable.
k....it looks like JS body remains still until his elbow reaches that certain point...yet the following pic appears as though the elbow move and body are almost simultaneous....if correct, which is better....wait or move all together?
Look closely at the animated gifs of Quiros and Glover. You can't tell by looking at stills. K
Would the elbow move be the same as trying to decrease the gap between the elbows on the downswing?
Jim, I'd have to say no only because that is not the real key. What's important is the right side external shoulder rotation should occur in doing the move. K
Kelvin is beyond the cutting edge! I check the site every day, hoping more articles are published. Thanks for this invaluable website.
So are the stop sign and elbow move a result of the body moving or something these guys are knowing or trying to do?
Sean, perhaps they wouldn't be where they are if they didn't do what they do. They'd be a typical 5 handicapper with a lot of power just spraying it all over the place or really slowing their swing in order to keep it on the fairway if they didn't have this move. So it is something they have learned to do or they instinctively do. As we continue to research these micro moves we're finding that some pros can have a stop sign move but not an elbow move and vice versa. The bottom line is these moves can be learned and the more micro moves you have, the better you will be. K
What would be interesting would be to take someone who does not have these moves and train them to implement them (is it possible?) and observe the changes in ball flight, distance etc...
Ian, we have done this with a top long driver who had gotten injured, lost his swing and had to find his way back. Took a few days but he got it fixed and he's ready for the world championships in a few weeks. K
What a great article, I must be dense, it took me several readings to understand the item. I cant wait to see the next one. You mention converting a long hitter in a few days. How did you do that? I find I can make changes in practice swings, but not usually when I'm on the course.
JY, Rick and I have lots of training tools at our disposal besides having some of the technological wizardry of Rick's biomechanical expertise. It's not that hard when you know most of the micro moves we need to see. In a couple of months, I'll have an article that's right up your alley and will help you. K
Does the micro move of the elbow start the downswing? If not, exactly when does the move begin.
GS, in a nutshell, the spine movements precede the elbow move in a correct swing. So the back arching/anterior pelvic tilt is occurring first. Then the elbow can move into the space that is made by that move. Contrast, if you don't have any back arch, the elbow won't have any space to make their move and consequently the hands and the shoulders will move first. K
In my oppinion it is a good way to pull that back elbow down first, if you're not familiar with the movements. The hip-rotation may start simultaniously or a fraction later... At least that's how I've been told to figure out how-to and it works.
I didn't have them 3 yrs back, but plucky training has payed off. I still make som mistakes, that ruin it from time to time, but when applying those moves I create huge lag and 6i club head speed passing 101 mph mark. Imagine that.
I think best seen on Sergio Garcia's iron swing.
Mahalo, Kelvin I am Stuz's friend. We both think you are on to something big. There has never been a really good biomechanical explanation of the golf swing (the golf machine aside). This involves the movement of the skeleton, joints and muscles.
Reading your article, the light bulbs exploded in my head. The contraction of the muscles surrounding the right rotator cuff which are the three heads of the deltoid, the right external obliques and of course the lattismus dorsi on the right side. I also reviewed a previous article of yours which includes the rectus abdominals themselves. Brilliant.
I would like to add from my weightlifting experience that a stretching of the muscle allows it to do work and the subsequent contraction performs the work much like the stretching of a rubber band. In weightlifting the stretching of the deltoid in the clean phase (and the holding of that stretch!) allows the work to be done by the deltoid in the jerk phase of the lift (clean and jerk). This ties into your wrinkling of the shirt comment. The alternate stretching and contracting of the latissmus dorsi can account for this effect.
Gary believes the stretching occurs on both side of body and he is correct. Crucially it is the stretching of the latissmus dosi in roatating to the top of the swing which sets up the tremendous contraction of the muscles in the right side of the body the result of which are the micro moves you speak of. They should happen naturally as a result of these trigger moves.
We were talking and it became clear that if one feels loose (I.E., looses the stretch) then this is a huge power leak which results in the arms taking over or worse the hands in keeping the momentum of the swing on the down swing. Of course the stretching if of far more than the lats but we feel these the most. All the other muscles that are contracted to do work experience this stretching. The contracting of the right side muscles to do work also affect the skeleton as there is a pulling against the origin and insertion of the muscle which is attached to the bone. Since there are so many muscles on the right side, there is a lowering of the skeleton itself on that side.
Really are we swinging? What appears to be happening is that the contracting of the right side muscles (assuming the proper biomechanical posture you speak of (arch back/anterior pelvic tilt with a slight tilt to the right) produces what we think of as the swing. This also moves the lower body forward to allow the upper body to come down and through!
Before I forget, the stretching of the muscles as the body rotates to the right along the axis of rotation (again given the proper biomechanical posture you speak, of as postureology) is critical and must be held before the right side muscles contract to do the work of moving into the ball (I dont want to use downswing because I don't believe it is a swing). This is a corollary to what you say in your article.
Whew! I am through right now but I hope this adds to your theory of the golfswing which I am sure will result in a coherent whole. Gary and I believe that this biomechanical explanation you are going into is the missing link in golf instruction. We think this is it!!! Keep going! If I made any spelling errors please forgive me as I am late to the NU-Indiana football game. Go cats!
Once again thanks.
Shep, thanks for your comments. I think you've got a pretty good idea of what's going on. There's a whole lot more to come in the next few months. K
Thanks Kelvin! I will be looking with great interest to what is coming. So will Stutz. We look forward to your articles each and every month. Stutz says keep rereading the articles and he is right. There is much in each one.
PS the NU cats won! It was tough sitting there when they were down 28-3 (in the second quarter), weather about 45F, drizzle and blow hard fans behind me. The final was 29-28 so you can imagine.
Have a real good day!
Sounds like a wild game you got to watch.
Kel, great article but what about the how?
hi kelvin. i know this article has been updated but i would like to understand better. basically the increase in lumbar lordosis + lateral is creating room for the right elbow move. by right elbow move you refer to the right humeral adduction...now my first question : when is the stop sign supposed to be performed...at the same time as the elbow move, prior to, second to ? and to precise the stop sign move...is there a better way to stop sign, stop sign being definitely a combined move with 2 actions, is one of this action facilitating the other ? and as a consequence, would you recommend performing right forearm pronation at the same time, prior to, or after the external rotation of the right humerus ? thanks for your help
Robin, the stop sign is actually pronation and occurs virtually at the same time as the external rotation of the shoulder and adduction. Also, you are correct about lumbar lordosis creating room for elbow and lateral bend. Anterior pelvic tilt, which is also discussed in another article is another way of saying adding to lordosis. K
Thanks for the article..Now my question is what kind of drill works to get these micro moves in my swing?It looks easy but its really hard to do this.