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Survey of Impact Positions of PGA Tour Players (target line/front view)

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Why study elite swings? If money were not a concern would you buy a Bentley Phantom ($450,000) or a VW Bug ($20,000)? Would you want your kids to have straight A’s in school or C’s? Would you want your child to go to Harvard or the local community college? Would you want to eat that prime aged filet mignon or the chuck steak from the supermarket? I’m sure you get my point. Everything works. The VW Beetle will get you there just the same as the Bentley but not with the same style and comfort. The chuck steak will deliver the same nutritional value as the filet but not melt in your mouth. So it is with golf swings. Why copy what Mr. Average is doing on tour? Sure, he may have a few wins but is his/her swing elite? Is it something you want to copy and learn from? And if you copy some of Mr. Average PGA Tour player’s swing flaws because you don’t know the difference between elite moves and less than optimal moves, does this not debilitate you? Or if you learn a swing method that relies on tour players’ natural instincts to fill in the blanks (correct moves) while promoting movements that are the exact opposite, how will you ever improve at this game?

Typically, when one thinks of a PGA tour pro, we think they are so awesome and hit the ball so well. Well they do. But how about when they are stack up against each other? They are all fantastic athletes but why do some hit it farther than others? Why are the short, straight hitters not able to hit it longer? Since Bubba Watson hit the par 5’s on the back nine at Augusta with short irons and won, isn’t this like Tiger in 1997 doing the same (although this is before they lengthened the course)? Sure, Bubba had to win in a playoff vs. demolishing the field like Tiger did. But the bottom line is Bubba’s win might be another defining moment in golf where everyone on tour needs to take notice. Distance matters once again just as everyone knew it when Tiger dominated in the 1999-2001 era.

In my world, short and straight hitting does not equal great ball striking regardless of how pure one strikes it. Forgive me Moe Norman, but I’m sure Bubba could hit his 5 iron as far as your driver AND be as straight. The challenge is to hit it long and straight. The legends, Hogan, Snead, Palmer, Nicklaus and young Tiger all figured out how to do this.

It takes more skill and better swing mechanics to be able to hit a ball long and straight vs. short and straight. A player swinging above 120 miles per hour, all things being equal, has to be a lot more precise with his impact zone movements (clubface closure rate must be lower and better release style) vs. players swinging in the low 100 mph range. One degree off line on a 350 yard drive is going to be farther off line than on a 270 yard drive.

With that in mind I thought it would be interesting to do a survey of how the tour players look at impact from the target line view to see how the tour players were doing with some of the movements I have found in only the best. But since it’s hard to determine what’s going on from just that one viewpoint, I had to add in their front view as well so we can put the two images together to get a more three dimensional view of what’s occurring in these golf swings.

This is the key to understanding some cause and effect relationships in the golf swing that I’ll be taking a closer look at in months to come. This study will explain why some are hitting it longer than others, why some are straighter than others, and how the body movements are ultimately affecting their release styles.

 

Methodology

In order to get the most consistent views, the camera angle had to be reasonably set up. This means the feet looking reasonably close to parallel to the camera lens at address (some are pulling their front foot back before impact). Slight changes in camera angle can show very different looking positions. So if camera angle was too far off, the swings were eliminated from the study. Also, I needed both front and target line view in order to be included in this study. Driver or at the very least fairway woods/hybrids needed (for target line view) to be used in order to see the most dynamic movements the pros would make.

*Note: After the top categories, I’ve just posted a few representative examples in each category and then listed the names of the other players that fit that swing type.

 

Elite Golf Swings

The truly elite golf swings are defined (by me) by having several key characteristics:

  • Lateral bend/lordosis – in other words, spine engine driven vs. arm or leg driven.
  • Shoulders rotating on a more vertical plane (tilted at impact) vs. more horizontally (parallel to hips).
  • Rib cage (sternum) rotation vs. chest sliding, stalling or covering the ball. 
     
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    This is a new concept that more clearly distinguishes correct movement from incorrect. By having good lateral bend/lordosis, one can rotate the rib cage/sternum area much more effectively. Pictured above is Brian Gay on the left, Gary Woodland on the right.
     
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    By drawing a line on the shoulders and then on the shirt placket, it can help to visualize the sternum position at impact. The more forward it is angled, the more rotation there is. Like the bucking bronco, the rib area in the human body is a hugely powerful source of power that’s overlooked because we’ve been programmed to look at shoulders and hips.
  • Hips rotating vs. stalling, thrusting or jumping.
  • Left leg straightening and hips extending to assist rotation (must be on the chi line) vs. staying bent, jump/stall or sliding/stall.
  • Front foot spinning (left leg continues to rotate) vs. flat footed (planted, posted up and inhibiting leg rotation).
  • Right arm bent at impact vs. straight – maximizes stability of impact with next trait.
  • Right wrist bent (extension) at impact vs. straightening or bowing (flexion).
  • Two previous characteristics contribute to the release pattern. Drive/holding vs. flip, flip/rolling, rolling, underflipping, etc.

 

Legends

 

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Ben Hogan

 

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Sam Snead

 

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Arnold Palmer

 

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Jack Nicklaus

Jack was great in the early 60’s but by the mid 60’s he started to slide farther and farther left.

 

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Tiger Woods Early and Mid 1990’s

 

Gold Medalists

These players have it all.

 

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Bubba Watson

 

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Dustin Johnson

 

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Gary Woodland

 

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Hunter Mahan

 

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Keegan Bradley

 

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Graeme McDowell

 

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Tommy Gainey

 

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Steve Marino

 

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Robert Garrigus

One caveat, in order to win or dominate on tour like Tiger once did, it takes a complete package of great swing, awesome short game, clutch putting, mental toughness and other intangibles. The players in this category are here simply based on pure athleticism, optimal movements and lack of “prettiness.”

 

Silver Medalists

The silver medalists have all the moves except one or two. They may slide a bit farther left, extend the arms more or extend the top of their spines more. They’re just a notch below but very good. 

  

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Tiger 2002-2004

Not as cleared in hips, shoulders not as tilted and his cervical spine is rising up before impact to make room for his arms straightening.

 

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Tiger 2008

Haney had not started to get him shifted so far left just yet but definitely a notch below his prime years.

 

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Freddy is a little more flat-footed on the left, slides just a touch too much and this causes more of a “reverse C” position on the follow through that isn’t good for his back. 

 

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Charley Hoffman

Slightly too far left, little flat footed.

 

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Scott Stallings

Not as much right leg internal rotation (leg extends instead).

 

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Rafael Cabrera-Bello

Just like Tiger!



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Ian Poulter

Less cleared, less tilted.

 

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Alvaro Quiros

Less cleared, less tilted, arms straighter.

 

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JB Holmes

Arms a little straighter with shoulders slightly released.

 

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Angel Cabrera

Arm/wrist positions show the compensations for a more open clubface at the top of the backswing. But body positions are great.

 

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Kenny Perry

 

Bronze Medalists

Good lateral bend minus left leg straightening or sliding too far left

This group is losing 15-20 yards by not using the left leg straightening to create more hip speed at impact. If the player is too far left, the left leg straightening will cause a jump/stall. If they keep the left knee bent and externally rotating, it is better but minus that little extra speed and power. 

 

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The difference between Woodland and Matt Kuchar is small but important. Woodland has a lot more hip and chest rotation at impact.

 

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Nick Watney

Sliding while left leg rotates but does not straighten.

 

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Steve Stricker

 

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Camilo Villegas

 

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Charlie Wi

Charlie is rotating as well as others in this group despite the excess slide. His left femur continues to rotate, left foot spinning, shoulders tilted, good amount of rib cage rotation and retains lateral bend at impact that’s different (and better) than most stack and tilters.

Other players in this category are:

David Duval
Martin Laird
Tim Clark
Simon Dyson
Josh Teater
Rory Sabbatini
Stephen Ames
Ryo Ishikawa
Thongchai Jaidee
Brendan De Jonge
William McGirt
Jason Dufner
Heath Slocum
Henrik Stenson
Trevor Immelman
Ben Crane
David Toms
Padraig Harrington
Danny Lee
Boo Weekley
Steve Flesch
Ryan Palmer
Boo Weekley
Matthew Goggin
Davis Love III
Eduardo Molinari
Bill Haas

 

Honorable Mention

Good LB but slight jump/stall

This group has all the right moves but just a little excess slide and this causes a bit of a jump/stall due to the left leg being too vertical while extending. In this way, the left leg cannot be used to create hip rotation and instead causes a jump. These players “lose their spine angle” just a bit but in reality it is loss of lower body rotation.

 

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At the very least the upper spine extends or there is a slight thrust toward the ball with the hips.

 

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Luke Donald

 

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Webb Simpson

 

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Louis Oosthuizen

Other players in this category are:

Ryan Moore
Aaron Baddeley
Bernhard Langer
Michael Sim
James Driscoll
Chad Collins

 

Late Lateral Benders

Late lateral benders typically have a bit of an over the top move starting down. But they fire their right arm/elbow move and lateral bend late so they still have good impact positions except that their shoulders may have caught up to their hips more than the gold/silver medalists. 

 

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Carl Pettersen

 

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KJ Choi

 

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Paul Casey

 

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Miguel Angel Jimenez

 

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Lee Westwood

This is a very unique swing by Lee. While he loses his lag early and flips it, just before impact he regains lateral bend/lordosis to drive his body through impact. Perhaps, this creates a new category of swing called the “flip’n drive.” This is a very different release pattern than Mark Wilson’s release that allows the club to swing past a stalling body. Chad Campbell does the same below.

 

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Chad Campbell

 

Sliding, slight stalling lower body with early release of the shoulders

There are many players in this category and had to be further classified into three subcategories; without right arm straightening, with right arm straightening and with right arm straightening and right wrist releasing.

 

Group 1: Without right arm straightening

This group is losing their lateral bend just before impact. It triggers right shoulder internal rotation a bit early, and typically a slight disconnect of the spine gears that can drive the upper and lower halves of the body together. But by keeping their right arm bent, they have just a bit more control of their release style.

 

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Rory McIlroy

 

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Here you can see early right shoulder internal rotation by Mr. Wozniacki.

 

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But he saves impact by driving his left arm forward. Most amateurs cannot save it once early right shoulder internal rotation occurs. Typically it will trigger the right arm to straighten and create a flip. 

   

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John Daly

   

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Sergio Garcia

   

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Jim Furyk

   

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Retief Goosen

Other players in this category are:

Tom Watson
Tom Gillis
Sang Moon Bae
Darren Clarke
Jason Day
Scott Verplank
Robert Allenby
Thomas Bjorn
Lucas Glover
Paul Goydos

 

Group 2: Sliding/stalling lower body with right arm straightening

The players in this subcategory are all slightly stalling their lower body and this allows their upper body to catch up rotationally. Thus, you see less cleared hips and shoulders slightly open at impact. This triggers right arm firing and with proper arm/hand movements, they avoid flipping. But they still are making compensations with their upper spine extending, pulling the chest away from the ball or sliding farther left in order to make space for extending arms. 

 

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Ernie Els from early 1990’s (left) when he was winning majors was far more dynamic and rotated in the hips and rib cage. Now he has more of a shoulder/arm swing that’s less powerful and interestingly less consistent.  

 

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Tiger Woods 2011

Perhaps the effect of sliding farther left? He has less hip and chest rotation than in his prime.

 

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Phil Mickelson

 

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John Senden

Other players in this category are:

Kris Blanks
Charles Howell III
Stewart Cink
Kevin Stadler
Stuart Appleby
Anthony Kim
Justin Leonard
Ryuji Imada
Kent Jones
Nathan Green

 

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Group 3: Sliding/stalling lower body with right arm straightening and right wrist releasing

Another way of saying this is that they have even less dynamic lower body action and rib cage rotation than those in Group 1 or 2. This increases the likelihood of a flip, underflip or flip/roll release occurring. The compensation for that is that the upper body might tend to slide more left to “cover the ball.” This will further reduce the rotation therefore decrease power.

 

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Mark Wilson

 

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Brandt Snedeker

   

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Martin Kaymer

   

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Justin Rose

 

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Adam Scott

Butch seems to think Adam swings like a young Tiger. Not! Slight loss of “spine angle,” less hip rotation than Tiger, left leg does not straighten (posted up) and his shoulders are catching up a bit.

Other players with this swing are:

Matteo Manaserro
Oliver Wilson
Hideto Tanihara
Francesco Molinari
YE Yang
Rickie Fowler
Jonas Blixt
Jarrod Lyle
John Rollins
Wen Chong Liang

 

Hip Sliders

When compared with the elite swings on tour, the sliders lose half the equation that creates great body rotation… lordosis. Thus, sliders/tilters do not rotate the sternum or rib cage area much (hip rotation is limited as well). Also since the lower body slides so far left, they tilt their entire spine away from the target in order to retain balance. It results in a disconnecting of the spine gears therefore the inability to rotate the entire body by the time of impact (they can rotate well after impact but what does that mean?). See how much more rotation Woodland has in his hips and rib cage area as compared to Zach?

 

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There’s also more lateral bend in the thoracic spine in Woodland.  Zach’s spine is straighter yet tilted to the right. 

 

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This may be difficult for the untrained eye to see but since Zach’s tailbone is sliding toward the target and spine tilting back, the right shoulder is farther away from his right hip than Woodland’s. Woodland on the other hand, has his sacrum or tailbone moving away from the target and this helps him to retain the connection of his spine gears. Therefore Woodland rotates much better and faster.

 

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Dean Wilson vs. Charlie Wi

Here’s an interesting comparison between two students of the same swing philosophy. How is it that Charlie’s impact position looks so much better than Dean? Just as Hunter Mahan rotates so much better than the rest of Foley’s stable, is this another case of the “best student is the worst listener syndrome” at work here?

Dean has less tilt to his shoulders, much less lateral bend/lordosis, no glute fire (relaxed butt cheeks) and a lot less rotation of the hips and rib cage/sternum area. The question is, was Charlie taught to move like this by strictly following the S & T method or is he using his own natural athletic instincts (in other words, not listening to the instruction)? My guess is the latter since the continuous slide (and rotate later) is taught as the way to golfing nirvana by the stack and tilt teachers.

 

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Jeff Maggert

   

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Steve Elkington

   

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Vijay Singh

   

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Dean Wilson

Others in this category are:

Alex Cejka
Pat Perez
Ricky Barnes
Kevin Na
Jeff Overton
Robert Karlsson
Geoff Ogilvy

 

Total body stall

This group can slide, stall, jump, lose spine angle, lose lateral bend and lordosis or any combination. It is hard to avoid flipping it when your body is not supplying the rotational power. Notice the wrist positions of the players in this category. 

 

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Jerry Kelly

 

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Brian Gay

 

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Daniel Chopra

 

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Jeev Milkha Singh

 

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Rocco Mediate

Others in this category are:

Colt Knost
Tim Herron

 

Shoulders catching up and turning on similar plane as hips

Some people have a view that the shoulders should turn parallel to the hips. This requires release of lateral bend in order to rotate the shoulders. It also means that not so powerful oblique muscles become prime movers in this swing. 

 

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Chris Tidland

 

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Tom Pernice Jr.

   

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Shane Bertsch

As you can see, there are huge variations in the impact positions from target line view in the tour pros. There are a lot of discussion topics to be covered in future articles but for now, I hope everyone can see that there is a clear trend, the more your lower body and rib cage stalls (or total body stall), for whatever reason hips or chest sliding, stalling or shoulder/arm dominance, loss of lateral bend or lordosis, the greater the probability that your release pattern will turn into a flip, roll or flip/roll increases dramatically. This means you’ll have less power and less control/consistency.

But is that how the elite do it on tour? Is that how Bubba hits short irons into par 5’s? The elite players bomb it and they have learned to or maybe have been forced to learn to be more precice or according to Charles Darwin they would not exist on tour.

 

 

In other words, combining maximum power and control in a golf swing is possible. The elite players have found their way to this swing mostly by their own natural athleticism (not instruction). If you want to play your best golf, why can’t you do the same?

The best way to use this study would be to take a video of yourself and screenshot your impact positions (front and target view). Then see how you stack up against the tour players. If anyone wants to see the full study with pictures of all players, I will be posting it up on http://www.jeffygolf.com./.


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jimper — Tuesday, May 8, 2012
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K, One commonality of the Gold Medal winners are that at impact, their heads are back of center to almost the back foot. I would think that this is an effect of them doing the correct moves with their bodies rather than them trying to do this. Would trying to keep the head further back help with getting the body moves better? Thanks, Jim


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kmiyahira — Tuesday, May 8, 2012
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It's not just the head, it's their tailbone or sacrum that's farther back as well. K


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caseydean — Wednesday, May 9, 2012
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Thanks for the article, Kelvin. My only question/confusion is your classifcation of AK and Matteo. I would think both of these guys would fall into the gold medal category, especially AK in his glory days. Any chance you could elaborate on these guys? It seems like they both have an excellent DH release pattern.


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kmiyahira — Wednesday, May 9, 2012
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I had poorer earlier swings of Matteo and have been sent better ones so he'll be moved up to silver. But AK is beginning to stall and losing his DH release pattern. More of an underflip release now.


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jimper — Thursday, May 10, 2012
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K, Looks like the best players are firing their left glute hard from transition to the finish helping with rotation. Is the right glute doing anything? Thanks, Jim


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kmiyahira — Thursday, May 10, 2012
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Right glute is firing to create ER on the right side. Important to have both sides firing. K


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hinskenneth — Friday, May 11, 2012
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I can't find the full study. Can you help me?


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kmiyahira — Sunday, May 20, 2012
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Give me a week or so to finish next month's article and I'll finish this.


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ByUBengals — Sunday, May 20, 2012
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Congratulations, what a fine exhaustive body of work. Your Bentley Phantom point on aspiring to model the best is certainly correct. Children are still taught Mozart as they learn to play the piano. Not to lower the bar, but could I make a request please? And I certainly don’t ask for the same exhaustive level of study. Would you comment on your top 5 Champions Tour swings? Not the Legends, but current or recent players. A little something for the Senior Am circuit? Say the Bentley has over 50K miles on it, with a few dents and dings on the body and has pulled to the left for 30 years – what would that model look like? Thank you for your work.


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kmiyahira — Sunday, May 20, 2012
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Start with Fred Couples, Kenny Perry and Bernhard Langer.


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johnny5 — Tuesday, August 28, 2012
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I notice some of the higher placed medalists are not altogether more powerfull than some lower down. Just one example would be MacDowell much higher placed than mcilroy. I know MacDowell is not a short hitter but mcilroy out guns him easily. also poultor being high up, a nice driving release but not thought of as a powerfull hitter. what's your thoughts on mcilroys power. its interesting especially now he's no 1 again.


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johnny5 — Tuesday, August 28, 2012
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By the way this is one of my favorite articles of yours. I'm starting to put these moves together and getting a feel for them. obviously I'm. not goin to drive in head first mid season but working moves in slowly were I can. thanks for this enlightening work!


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Powerplay — Sunday, November 18, 2012
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First of all, thanks for all yours superb articles Kelvin. I'm starting to achieve the right impact position but after 3 weeks of training, my casio fx... show me always my old impact position : hips sliding, no hips turn prior impact and super-flip of hands. Would you give us some exercises/drills with a time-planning for improvement. I'm seriously thinking to restructure my swing (hcp 11) in (italian)winter's months. Thank you for all and excuse me for my poor english.


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JeffU — Wednesday, August 14, 2013
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Kevin, Is the 2013 Adam Scott swing the same or has it improved? Edit: I see you answered that in the June 2013 article. Thanks.



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